t the best part of the awards show are the preshows. >> this is a big drinking event. >> yes. suzanne goine, a chef preparing beef, salmon, vegan dish and drinking gallow wins and champagne. it's a party. >> no drinking games, though, from what ian, though, right? >> yes, it's unhosted. just a narrator and a lot of presenters. >> it will be fun. we'll watch and see if your picks really do come home. nice to see you both. >> thanks a lot. don't miss a.j. hammer, rubbing elbows on that red carpet with hollywood elite. reporting back on all of the botox those guys talking about. live from the red carpet at the screen actors gild award show. happens tonight at 6:30 eastern time. right here on cnn. all right.

thanks, everybody, for watching today. i appreciate it. have a lovely sunday. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. the times are a changing in the u.s. military. today, subtracting jobs at the pentagon and adding women into combat. >> the fact is, that they have become an integral part of our ability to perform our mission. >> is chuck hagel the right man to run a pentagon in transition? we'll ask retired general stanley mckristol and michael hayden. then, assault weapons. the public may not want them, so

why is banning them unlikely? we'll ask senator dianne feinstein. plus, does the republican road to recovery begin outside the washington. with governor mcdonnell, mia love, scott walker, and carlos gutierrez. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." fire up the hot seat. former senator chuck hagel, the president's choice of secretary of defense will face many former colleagues at this week's confirmation hearings. republican hagel has taken a variety of votes that some see as too quick to suggest cuts at the pentagon and too conciliatory to israel. and president o joining me now retired u.s. army general stanley mcchrystal.

author of "my share of the task" and retired u.s. air force general michael hayden. i'm the only one without a military title here today. thank you, all, for joining us. i want to start out with chuck hagel. he is top on the minds at the pentagon i think. from what you know of chuck hagel and he would be the first enlisted man ever to run the pentagon, the first vietnam vet, from what you know, what sort of reception would he get from the military? >> i think it would be fine. i know senator haggel. he was a member -- and not a universal condition -- he was a member you could talk to, but on a personal base have a candid exchange of views. you could always speak with him and frankly given my time in uniform, that's a tremendous

attribu attribute. i think will work out well. >> you wrote in your book about the trust deficit that happens when the military gets used to a new person. you were talking about the president at the time. but i wonder if having a pentagon chief with the credentials of having fought in a war, sort of helps with the trust deficit? >> i don't think u.s. a prerequisite, i think it's helpful. and he'll build relationships as he goes. he has a lot of credibility. i don't think it will be a problem. >> do either of you see red flags? a man talked about, you heard the criticism. any red flags? >> these are issues that any incoming secretary will have to face. we know that. a broad macro view. if you look at the outgoing team and the incoming team from a gates -- clintongate, panetta,

compare it to the new guys. kerry, hagel, john brennan. on balance, i think the new team thinks more like the president thinks when it comes to foreign policy this will be a team that might not push back as much with regard to cuts or withdrawals or smaller footprints or reluctant moves with new eras. in terms of the worth of the man for him and the job they receive there, not at all. >> since you went there, let me sort of switch where i was going and ask you about the smaller footprint. we having coming up the withdrawal of u.s. combat troops from afghanistan at the end of the year, and we are seeing republicans already going, no, i think we need -- lindsay graham on, talked about up to 20,000. it's too important not to leave a substantial footprint there, and yet i think that the general is right that we now have a team that seems to be more in sync

with president obama and they want a very small footprint. you talked in your book about training the afghan security forces, are they ready for a total withdrawal of u.s. troops when the time comes? >> i think they are not ready for lack of a strategic partnership in america. i wouldn't try to tell senior officers how many people are required. we've offered a strategic partnership. >> does that mean troops? >> it means trust. and it's more important to put an action with that. the people lack certainty. lack confidence. they are terrified about 2014. not because they are afraid they will lose progress, but that they want to see from america is enough engagement to show we won't abandon them.

>> what is that? >> i asked president karzai he wanted. and he said i want american business. i want american business to be making a profit. because if you are here and making a profit, you will have a stake in our security. one kind of indicator. i think it will probably be necessary for us to provide some security help. but they have got to stand up. time for them to protect their sovereignty for the most part. we have to figure out how best to do that. >> general hayden, a number? >> in the past i said 10,000 to 15,000. let me give you a sense of what that comprises. number one training. two logistics. >> which has been going on since well before you were there. >> it will have to continue. logistics, intelligence surveillance areconnaissance. occasional indirect fire on extremists where american firepower could be called on.

and our own purpose. being there when we have to conduct counterterrorism measures, we have a sufficient footprint and basing structure on which to do that. this is correct. okay. just the way it is laid out here. this is about confidence in our commitment. the afghans aren't the only audience. everyone else as stan suggests, everyone else in the neighborhood is looking and if they think we are wobbling, everyone else would be incent vised to behavior that he would about bad for us. >> another story. allowing women basically in the front lines -- it isn't women haven't seen combat. they have played support roles. this is about putting women in combat. do you see a female s.e.a.l. in the future? do you see a female army ranger? do you see females in special ops, where the physical

requirements and physical strength are pretty rigorous? do you see that? >> i do. i think you will see them probably in all of those units. you already see them serving in functions around the units, intelligence pie localities and whatnot. there are positions that are much better for females. there are things you can do in special operations with females more difficult to do with just men. so i think it -- it will come. it is easy to milwaukee a policy decision. i support that policy. as we implement it, it will be a little complex, because with rights come responsibility. right now, any mail can be moved to any job in the military for needs of the service. so once you open the door with rights, theoretically, you open the door where any female can be put in a combat position and we'll have to work our way through that. >> what does that mean for the requirements? because do you -- females as we

know, just physically in general certainly there are females stronger than males, but in general, when you go -- when you go to some of the special forces, there are some physical things about women that make them less strong than men. >> there are two kind of standards. one set has to do with personal health. for raw, physical finance for the armed services. how many situps, how much pushups. those standard are better for men and women. these have to do with accomplishing the job. of this, if the standard is here, only a small percentage of women could match the standard for reasons biological. the standard has to stay there, otherwise you risk mission success. >> you need to think of it as a team. if you think of an infantry squad, they carry a certain amount of equipment spread

across the squad. they all have to carry part of that. if somebody can't carry a part, that affects them all. >> the increased use of drones what is it doing to the u.s. reputation overseas? i think you all disagree as to whether these are -- it certainly keeps u.s. troops safer. you don't have to sent u.s. personnel in. the increase of drones in pakistan, somalia, yemen. >> first of all, they are extraordinarily effective and a tool we have to have. we need to use them for reconnaissance and to strike. every time you take a shot, you need to do a calculation, and i think we've done that in the past. the effect it has around the target and it emanates further. if you look in a place that is a sovereign country. if we need in and technolog

technologicaltechnologi technologically shoot, it was pretty easy. we didn't put american boots on the ground or accept risk. it can lower the threshold to take action. at the receiving end, it feels very different. >> it feels like war because civilians get killed. >> look, i've washed this since the program stepped up in mid 2008 and it got stronger as time went on. now, i would suggest to you in 2008, we were very much focussed on what were clearly imminent threats against the homeland. we saw what was going on inside al qaeda training camps. for that period of time and a period of time afterward, that was a compelling concern. the one that drove your actions, even though you knew, you had secondary and tertiary effects out here that one day you have to live with. i think we have got to a point in many areas of the world,

secondary and tertiary affects may be the prime result of some of these strikes and that would then give you reason to pause. that's not suggesting what went on before was incorrect. quite correct. circumstances have changed and the correct decision might be a bit gentler. >> i have to ask you about another issue out there. civilians now. civilians who know your way around guns. there is a -- talk about both an assault weapons ban and a universal background check from your experience with civilians and knowing your way around guns, which would be more effective? >> not normally in our lane. >> yeah, but i thought -- >> talking instinct and not personal experience or expertise, make sure we know who is buying guns, first order. i would emphasize that first out

of gate. >> universal background check. >> if i know my history, wyatt earp made everybody check their guns when they entered town. places where guns are appropriate, and some places where guns aren't appropriate. around schools, around streets of america. i have seen what assault weapons do. i know the training we put soldiers through to carry an assault weapon, how carefully we control those. and we need a serious national discussion. not simplify it make it black, white, all or nothing. but we need one where we aren't poking fingers at each other. we have to stop the killing. >> thank you for your expertise as military officials and civilians. we appreciate it. when we return, going after the guns with california senator dianne feinstein. >> i'm also incensed that our weak gun laws allow these mass killings to be carried out again

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eight years after the first assault weapons ban expired, senator dianne feinstein introduced a second, tougher one. she stood in front of an arsenal of weapon, flanked by cops, victims of gun violence and religious leaders in a news conference that opened with a prayer, a, for presentation, prospects for passage are slim. >> can you win this? only if you stand up. if america rises up, if people care enough to call every member of the house and every member of the senate, and say, we have had enough. >> feinstein's bill would ban more than 150 types of rifles, shotguns and handguns and ammunition magazines that hold more than ten rounds. it was criticized as too much and useless. >> this bill gent ban the guns. 35 million in existence. over 100 million high-capacity

magazines out there. what is going to be the impact on the future ban of those magazines and guns on criminals or crazy people? zero. nada. >> for any one who achieved or acquired the banned weapons legally before the ban would go into effect, the only difference would be when they go to transfer or sell the weapon, the person getting would have to undergo a background check. next up, senator dianne feinstein. ...tax time can ofbe...well...taxing. so right now we'll give you... ...$10 off any turbo tax deluxe level software or higher! find thousands of big deals now... ...at officemax.

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both sides of the gun debate played out yesterday in washington, d.c. thousands of demonstrators took to the national mall, demanding tougher gun control laws, including a ban on assault style rivf rifles and high capacity magazines, and outside atlanta, purchasers lined up outside a local gun show to stock up. senator dianne feinstein joins me now. boise week with hearings opening up. senator joe manchin, i want to open with what he said to us last sunday. >> on just gun s alone will not

go anywhere. >> it has to be comprehensive. and that's what i told everybody, has to be a comprehensive approach. >> senator manchin says this has to be more than a gun ban. senator harry reid, saying i don't think this is going to pass. he doesn't want to bring up something that doesn't pass. major speech out of washington, this term, on immigrant. what i'm wondering is if you feel this has been a rhetorical priority. i wonder if it's a legislative priority. >> let me say this. this has been an uphill fight. this has never been easy. this is the hardest of the hard. now, will it only be assault weapons? no. most likely. there will be a package put together if assault weapons is left out of the package or i'm a member of the judiciary number two in seniority. i've been assured by the majority leader i will be able to do it as an amendment on the

floor. i did it in 1993. that doesn't particularly bother me. what does bother me, i have seen weapons spawn and grow and in the hands of younger and younger people over these years. and i think you reach a point as i said earlier where enough is enough. do military style assault weapons belong on the streets of our cities? the answer, according to the united states conference of mayors, according to major chiefs of police, according to the largest police organization in the world, is absolutely no. so we do have support. don't mistake it. >> but would you concede in the united states, the assault weapons ban in particular is a very tough road, because it's not just republicans. it's fellow democrats. >> the nra is vehement.

they come after you, put large amounts of money together to defeat you. they did this in '93. >> do they do that or just disagree with you? >> is the nra venal, or do they disagree on a matter of policy? >> the nra has become an institution of gun manufacturers. this morning on the front page of "the new york times," i was reading about their program now to provide weapons and training for youngsters from eight years old to 15 years old. and this is supported by the gun manufacturers. in other words, here is a whole new group of people for me to get these weapons to. it doesn't happen to the adults. >> certainly people with guns in terms of sport and hunting is not a new phenomenon. we train them. we want to make sure people who have guns know how to use them.

i want to ask about the nra and this is kind of -- wayne la pierre, one of those who will fight you tooth and nail. one of the things he said. >> politicians pass laws for gun-free school zones. in doing so, they tell every insane killer in america, that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. politicians have no business and no authority denying us the right, the ability, moral imperative from protecting ourselves and our loved ones from harm. >> wayne la pierre is coming before congress. what will you ask him? >> i don't know at this time. i actually debated him on cnn and other channels back in '93 and '94.

i know his position. it has never changed. what has changed in this country is the continued use of these weapons. when we had the first mass shooting in 1966/67, the texas bell tower, i thought this was an aberration, but it hasn't been, and the malls, theaters, businesses, law practices, and now the schools. for me, sandy hook was an epiphany. the woman who had guns, who kept them i assume in a respectable area. she also had a son and that son is quite possibly mentally disturbed. he got a very powerful weapon and he went out with that weapon and he killed 5 and 6 and 7-year-olds. i understand with 3 to 11 bullets in each of their bodies with a weapon that had the

velocity to really rip these bodies apart. that should not be able to happen. this aisis a young man who kneww to use weapons. he chose to use them against the most defenseless. the question is does government have the obligation to protect those children? i believe we do. i believe we do. >> a quick question on this. i want to ask on a couple other subjects. could you see your way clear to a school security program or to saying listen, i think there maybe be arm guards at some of the schools? >> of course. one-third of the schools in america today have school guards. there were two at columbine. they couldn't get to the shooter. and that is the problem with this thing. having school guards really isn't the whole answer. the more you have these weapons, these military style weapons

that with the single stock of the ar-15 can be made fully automatic, the minute you have it in the sandy hook killer's hands, have youyou have a devas weapon. >> it is now bubbling up. i'm surprised the speaker of the house, president of the united states, we're very close to an immigration bill. give me a sense of where the senate is on that? where congress is on the immigration bill? >> my understanding from senator schumer, we will have a statement of principles, hopefully within the next week. what i pick up in the senate is that increasingly people understand that a pathway to citizenship is an important part of any immigration reform proposal. it is my belief there he will be an immigration reform proposal. my part of it is the

agricultural part. and i've been meeting with workers through the farmworkers union to put together two parts of the program. one is a permanent program for farmers who need to use people 24/7, like dairy and other things, and a guest worker program. >> i have to quickly ask you a very quick question. show you a screen grab. what you will see is a picture of president obama and outgoing secretary of state hillary clinton. being interviewed together on "60 minutes." this has captured the 2016 group a lot. and if you are joe biden thinking about the run for the president and see the president for the first time, with someone other than his wife is sitting down for a chat on tv, what does that say about what the president is thinking about 2016? >> i'm not concerned with that as i am with what secretary clinton is thinking about 2016.

i think she's accomplished an incredible record and really has unbridled popularity, she has a total knowledge of all of the issues.served in the senate. >> you want her to run? >> i would love it if she would run. >> dianne feinstein, thank you so much. when we return, the grand old party tries to find a new way forward. and then, making a penny count. [old english accent] i doth declare that thou have brought overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive.

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the question is why? the party intro speculation has led to much to-ing and fro-ing from outside washington republicans who think inside washington republicans are part of the problem. >> we got to stop being the stupid party. we have to stop insulting the intelligence of voters. >> a republican comeback, wherever it may come from, is made more difficult by a newly aggressive president with a big agenda. that's enough to keep the house speaker up at night. >> we're expecting here over the next 22 months to be the focus of this administration as they attempt to anigh light the republican party. let me tell you, i do think that is a way to shove us to history. >> can republicans recovery in time to defend house majority in

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president obama's version of america is a divided one. often pitting us against each other based on income level, gender and social status. his policies have failed us. we are not better off than we were four years ago, no rhetoric, bumper sticker or hollywood campaign ad can change that. >> joining me around the table today, four influential republicans from all four corners of the country. mia love, mayor in saratoga springs, utah. she gave that speech at last summer's republican convention. bob mcdonnell, a battleground after years as a solid republican.

carlos gutierrez, founded a superpac, republicans for immigration reform. and scott walker, he survived i recall election over the summer. quite the panel. thank you, all, for joining me this morning. do you sense, since are you all more or less outside washington, that there is a split between how governors, mayors, folks that have particular causes look at republicans in washington and how they look at the republican party? >> no doubt about it. and there is a lot of pessimism, unfortunately. a lot of republican conservatives in the nation's capitol. you get around the country. bob and i like to make this point a lot. even though the president won re-election, there are 30 states with republican governors. we look at tax reform. happened at the state level and local level. governors and mayors really put forward the cause. we need to change the climate in

washington, we are changing it every day in the statehouse. >> sure, but at the same time i can look around the table and say you won, first governor ever to win a recall bid. or a recall call, and you were in a very conservative state in a conservative spot. you are in a conservative state. so you all were kind of fine and you still lost. republicans lost wisconsin. republicans lost virginia. republicans lost the latino vote. a huge disconnect here. not just for you, but for voters, right? >> i would like to point out like the rest of the panel. wisconsin, a good example. the president carried wisconsin just like every democrat did since 1984. the same year i won a recall election, same time we took the state senate back, and added to the numbers of state assembly. half of the states have republican majorities and more than half have republican

governors. republicans who are conservatives are relevant, courageous. that's what we need more in washington. >> why are you popular in virginia, and couldn't have pulled mitt romney over the finish line? >> the president won by seven points in '09. and i won by 18 the next year. >> mitt romney lost by -- >> by two. in the larger turnout elections, the casual voter who only tunes in every two or four years, listening from 30,000 feet, taking care of their family and business, that's where we're not connecting. i think they don't understand the conservative message. we're not -- and they don't like us. we have to do a lot better job. the key is what governors are doing. we're getting results. actually passing budgets, balancing budgets, reducing debt and deficit and solving common sense every day things like roads, bridges, schools. and that's why they are voting for us. >> the word conservative doesn't

do us enough justice. it tends to imply that we want the scat us quo, we're stuck in the past and don't like change this is a country of change. that's what makes it so great. that's what we need to be strategically consistent. on immigration, how can we be a party of growth, opportunity, free enterprise, prosperity, but not be the party of immigration? we do need strategic consistency. a lot more than just execution on the ground. we have to look up and see what our strategy really is. >> mayor, when you look at washington, do you see washington republicans? do you see you? >> no, actually. when you think about what's happening in washington, we're having a hard time getting to people and their real struggles. getting our message out. remember, conservative values is more about people and less about

washington. and right now, washington, you have -- i agree with governor jindal, have you two different parties. a party that wants to expand government. you have another party that wants to control government. the president i believe is president today, not because of what he does, but because of what he says. people feel like they can relate to him. people feel like that he can relate to them and he understand, even though he's not really doing anything to help the people on the ground. he feels like he understand them. it's easier to connect to people. easier to understand the individual struggles than fix it on a local level. >> at some level, what are you talking about, senator rand paul talked to the "cincinnati enquirer" recently and says we'll have to be hands off on some of these issues and get people into the party. he said i don't think we can attract to young people when we look like we're always ready to

go to war. he worries about abortion, a number of social issues that tush people away from the republican party. do you agree? >> i think one of the things i mentioned is relevance. one of the things i think is the difference between washington republicans and those in the states and local government, we're talking about things relevant to people's lives, realistic about chances no doubt but optimistic about solutions and that is the key ingredient missing. debt ceilings, fiscal cliffs, and most people we talk to, talk about their kids' future, their neighbor out of work, they talk about concern these have with schools and transportation, things like that. a relevant thing that i think nationally republicans aren't connecting, and we can't. we need to be the party of growth and opportunity. the optimistic, relevant, courageous. if we do, we'll win national elections again. >> social issues important to you. as a politician and person. can you stay the republican party and say, look, we

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this used to be something that was not political. disaster relief was something that you didn't play games with. but now in this current atmosphere, everything is the subject of one upsmanship. everything a possibility. a potential piece of bait for the political game. and it's just -- it's why the american people hate congress. it's why they hate you. >> we are back with bob mcdonnell, mia love, carlos gutierrez and governor scott walker. is it possible for outside republicans to beat up on inside republicans? let's say governor christie was

frustrated because he wasn't getting the aid he thought he needed for hurricane sandy relief. but he's been very -- this was an antirepublican. mad at john boehner at this point. is -- is there any way that you all can recreate the party by running against your fellow republicans in washington? >> republicans aren't always going to agree with each other. we don't have to change the debate. we should be debating and talking. but we have to just unite on our principles. our principles of limited government. you have to understand as a mayor, pretty simple for me. i ask three questions any time i make a new policy decision, a decision about anything. is it affordable. sustainable, is it my job? we would unite a lot better if we all asked ourselves those questions. where we get into trouble, when we start dividing and start figuring out, you know, somebody uses opportunity for political gain here or somebody uses -- uses an opportunity for something else. we have to start uniting on our

principles and start communicating that to the american people. we would do so much better. >> i want to put up some of the exit polls, and it basically what they show is anyone from 18 to 39, president obama won all the young people. women, 55%. president obama won women. obam yet the republican party doesn't want to be the party that goes after segments of society. how do you attract latinos? how do you attract young people without sort of catering in a way republicans say they don't want to. >> in terms of luatinos and asians and immigrants, i think we fell into the trap of looking at the numbers too literally. so, look, latinos want jobs and we want education and we want health care and immigration was number five or number six, but what they sense is that we don't welcome them and we have to be the party that celebrates immigration.

every time the president talks about business, there's always a but in the sentence. when you hear some republicans talk about immigration, there is always a but in the sentence. people sense that, they have a gut feel for that. we've got to make people feel welcome. >> so just kind of going around the table. is the problem the messengers? is the problem the message? is the problem policy? >> i think it's a combination. the core principles we have are right and part of the problem is exactly what the secretary is talking about in terms of relevance. part of relevance, not only means how you talk about it, where you're willing to go. for too long too many republican candidates only went to certain parts of america to talk about their message. we have a message for immigrants and message for small business owners and message for college kids just coming out of college. it's about opportunity and optimism and a message they need to hear. right now many cases when they look at republicans in washington, they hear the loyal opposition, naysayers people who they view being opposed to anything this president does.

we need to pick out a few issues where we can agree and work with the democrats and president on and find other issues where we're still with the american people and say, no, this is the alternative and we have a better one. >> easier said than done. some talk and ryan said he thinks the president is trying to delegitimize the republican party, is that true? >> i don't know what the president's thinking on that. but, listen, democrats and republicans believe strongly in ideas that are different. and they believe their path is the right one to expand the american dream. these battles are going to continue, but i think showing the conservatism gets results and liberalism regularly failed is the best chance. the best champ example is young voters. they want a job and they want to have less student debt and less share of the american debt. if you believe that when you're a young person, then we should explain why the american ideas of job creation reforming higher education to create less student loans and reducing the american

debt. we're the ones talking about that. young people, please, vote for us. >> 30 seconds. so 15 here. >> yes, i think part of the problem is that people sense or they think that if you're a republican, you believe in 15 different things. but, you know, like a chinese menu. but all those things you believe in. it's not true. i know pro life republicans, i know pro choice republicans. >> let's remember the gop was beginning on ending slavery. that's how they got together. when it comes to immigration, we're not doing our job on the federal level. to open the front door and close the back door. we created a problem that no one in washington wants to address. >> thank you, all, very much for joining us. >> thank you. up next, the postal service is trying to fix a 25 million a day loss a penny at a time. ikes. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists.

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the price of a first class stamp is going up by a penny today and we're willing to bet a nickel you don't know what that brings it to. >> last i checked, 42 or 43 cents. >> i think it's 44 cents, 45 cents. >> 48 cents. >> i think they're 48 cents. >> we had to check, too. 45 cents yesterday and 46 cents today. it's just hard to keep track. this is the fifth increase in six years. the 24th in the past half century.

it cost a quarter to send a first class valentine's day card in 1990, a dime in 1975, a nickel in 1967. a lot of people don't know the cost of first class stamps for a pretty simple reason. they don't use them. >> the younger generation being used to the internet and just sending everything electronically. >> i don't mail that often. i pay a lot of my bills online. >> i don't really send a lot of things via snail mail any more. >> a self-stick candle doesn't hold a candle to wi-fi. just 16% say they mostly send mail. and there are ecards and e-mail and facebook. if people can see your kids' pictures every day, no need for the yearly update. first class mail volume has dropped 34% from its 2001 high. the u.s. postal service survives on christmas